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Armenian-American photographer Scout Tufankjian is
the only independent photographer to have covered
President Obama's entire campaign from before he
announced his candidacy through the Election Night
celebration in Chicago's Grant Park. A daughter of
the Massachusetts Armenian community, Scout spent
two years trailing across the country with candidate
Obama.
Now that the campaign is over, she has been touring
the United States promoting her book, “Yes We Can:
Barack Obama's History-Making Presidential
Campaign.” A collection of her photographs from the
campaign trail, the book tells the story of Barack
Obama's historic, world-changing journey from junior
senator for Illinois to President of the United
States of America. It's a comprehensive and intimate
portrait of the man and the movement he inspired.
Along her tour, Scout visited Sardarabad Armenian
Bookstore on Friday, March 19, where she discussed
her experiences documenting President Obama's
election campaign. She was also at Rose and Alex
Pilibos Highschool on Monday March 23, giving
students an interactive tour of her book in the
school's famous Noah's Ark library.
I caught up with her while she was in LA to talk on
a more personal level about her life and her journey
before, during and after the campaign.
Below is our
conversation:
Allen Yekikan:
Talk about your
background and where you grew up. What was your
childhood like?
Scout Tufankjian:
I grew up as an only child in a small town in
Massachusetts about 45 minutes south of Boston
called Scituate. It was a great place to grow up.
A lot of the reasons that I am
a journalist come from my childhood and from being
one of the few Armenian kids in my town. Like
every other good Armenian girl, I wrote my 7th
grade history report on the Armenian Genocide and
my teacher told me I had made it all up. She
failed me, eventually that was corrected, but she
told me that I had made it all up. I think that is
one of the reasons why I became a journalist, and
specifically a photojournalist. People can always
tell you that your words are lying but photographs
show people the reality of the situation and the
truth and that's always been my drive--to show
people what something looks like; what something
feels like. To show people who can't be there what
it feels like to be there; to show them that I did
not make them all up as well.
A.Y.:
Who are your
inspirations? We have a long and rich tradition in
photography going all the way back to the Ottoman
Empire? Were you influenced at all by Armenian
photographers? Do you draw anything from Yousuf
Karsh, the world famous Armenian-Canadian
Portraitist?
S.T.: My
main influence in photography and my personal hero
is a photographer named Robert Cappa, a Hungarian
born photographer. He said a lot of very clever
things because he was a very clever guy. He was
one of the first conflict photographers and one of
the founders of Magnum. He kind of covered almost
everything that was going on and this during the
early days, when we first got the ability to use
the small cameras that gave us the luxury of
portability.
One of the things he said was
that "the most important thing about
photojournalism is to like people and to let them
know you like them." To me that has been a huge
influence. You can see this motto in his work. He
cares about people he's interested in people,
interested in their stories.
And Karsh's work, although I'm
not a portraitist, when I do portraits, I very
rarely arrange them. I don't work in studios. I
tend to photograph people doing things in more
candid moments. But his ability to capture
someone's personality in that setting is something
that I find so incredibly impressive. The ability
to show you what these people were like in a
photograph is something that I think is just
incredible.
A.Y.:
Do you think that
photography, or at least the drive to capture and
record history, runs in your blood?
S.T.: I
think that's definitely true. being Armenian is a
huge part of being a photographer, both because of
the story I told earlier about people not
believing me that the Genocide had happened, but
also because we are a diasporan people; we exist
in so many different countries whose founding
culture's we are not a part of, so the drive to
observe and to document is really something that
is a part of us.
We were the first photographers in the Middle
East. There is a photo-museum in Beirut and a huge
percentage of photography there, all the early
stuff, is from Armenians. If you go through the
old city of Jerusalem, all the photography shops
are run by Armenians. And so I think that drive to
document the places we are living in is definitely
a part of it.
I remember reading something in college, or it
might have been right when I finished college and
I was just getting started in my career as a
photographer. It was a book by an anthropologist
about Armenians across the world and I remember
thinking to myself it was a little bit weird
hearing someone write about you as an ethnic group
to be studied and to draw all these broad
conclusions on what it is like to be an Armenian
living in America or in Europe or Jerusalem. One
of the things he said is that photography was one
of the main three cliche careers that he found
Armenians in. And I remember not having known that
at the time and remember being kind of pleased
being a part of that long history.
A.Y.:
How did you get
into Photography? Did you always know this is what
you wanted to do?
S.T.: I
always knew I wanted to be a journalist. I always
knew that I wanted to be there when things were
going on to ask lots of questions and document
history--whatever was going on. But I didn't start
thinking seriously about photography until I was
doing my junior year abroad in Ireland. I was
living in a town called Derry and I got caught up
in a riot. So they shut off all the streets so
that I couldn't go home and at that point I had a
choice; I could either riot or take pictures. I
thought, "ok, I'm an American; I'm not going to
throw rocks at the police, that's just crazy. So I
started taking pictures and I loved it--the
immediacy of it, the ability to show people what
it had been like. The ability to capture people's
emotions and feelings in these photographs was
something I just loved.
So I came back to the states to
finish up my degree and started taking all these
photo classes because I didn't know anything about
photography. I talked my way into a gig covering a
minor league hockey team and slowly figured out
what an aperture was and how shutter speed worked.
I then went back to Ireland to build up my
portfolio; then I came back to the states again
and got a job at a newspaper. I worked there for
about a year and then when I got laid off from
that job; it was late 2001. So I decided that I
was going to move to New York and also start
covering the conflict in the West Bank. So I moved
to the West Bank. I knew only two words of
Arabic--no and thank you. I didn't know anyone and
I just decided that this is what I was going to
do.
I remember going to Armenia
with my dad in between being in Ireland and going
to the West Bank and we fought about this pretty
much the entire time we were in Armenia. We kind
of reserved an hour every day for fighting about
whether or not I was going to go to the West Bank.
And I went. Instead of stumbling into trouble, I
talked my way into the back of an ambulance and
spent a month doing a story on the health crisis
in the West Bank, covering mental institutions,
traveling with doctors from village to village,
sitting with ambulances as they took people to the
hospital during curfews, and as they covered
clashes. I worked in the West Bank off and on for
two years and then I worked in the Gaza strip off
and on for four years; until I started covering
the Obama campaign.
A.Y.:
What was your trip
to Armenia like? Talk a bit about your experiences
there.
S.T.: I
spent ten days in Armenia with my dad. When we got
there, we called my grandmother and she
cried--she's not the kind of person that cries,
ever. It was incredible. We pretty much ate our
way through the country. We would go do something
cultural for 25 minutes then we would eat for
another hour. It was incredible. It was the first
time I had been in a country where everyone looked
like my uncles and my cousins.
It was hot and dusty, but it
felt right. I went swimming in Lake Sevan and went
out to Khor Virap. It was an incredible time and I
took lots of pictures. My dad took lots of
pictures of me taking lots pictures. So it was an
extremely well documented ten days and I'm hoping
to go back in the fall.
A.Y.:
Did you take any
pictures?
S.T.: I
did, but as is always the case with my work,
people were always more interesting to me than
scenery or more precisely how people interact with
the land is maybe a better way of putting it. We
were there in July so the haze made it really hard
to photograph the landscapes. But the people, the
faces of the people...I used to get up every
morning and walk around the city and photograph
people, the women brushing off the sidewalk in
front of their shop, the people setting up for the
Vernisajh market and the kids playing soccer.
People just living their lives, was what I wanted
to photograph.
A.Y.:
If you were to take
your photos from Armenia and put them together, what
story would they tell?
S.T.: You
know, I don't know what story I would tell. I'm
not ready to do that. I think I need to spend more
time there. For me, I think ten days is not enough
time to tell the story of anything, especially an
entire nation, especially a nation that so many
people look towards. So I'm hoping to go back and
spend more time there and hopefully to tell that
story. So I don't know if I have an answer for
that because I just don't feel like I had enough
time.
A.Y.:
How do you approach
photography? Do you approach the subject you are
capturing already knowing the story you want to tell
or do you approach it with a blank slate, take the
photos and then try and figure out what the story
is?
S.T.: I try
to go in with a blank slate. I think that whenever
you go into a situation saying that these are the
photographs I want to take; even if it's something
like a single day on the campaign, which I worked
on for two years...I try not to do that because
you then miss what's actually going on and instead
see what you want to see going on.
As a journalist it's pretty
important for me to be open to anything that's
happening and to be observing the reality of the
situation, not what my presupposed idea of the
situation is. So I definitely go in with as much
history, as much knowledge about the subject as I
can. I think that going in completely blank and
not having tried, at least, to get an
understanding of the political complexities and
history or background, will lead me to miss
things. You will miss what things mean; you'll
miss the hidden languages underneath the way
everyone moves and talks; what everyone does. So I
do try and go in with as much background as I can,
which is, I think, one of the reasons why I tend
to spend so long in one place and why I think ten
days in Armenia wasn't enough for me to do
anything remotely resembling a story.
The longer you spend in a
place, the more you understand the hidden language
and the hidden meaning behind what everyone is
doing. That to me is really important but in terms
of going and looking for a specific photograph,
you can't, because if you do you'll be
concentrating on looking at that the whole time
instead of doing what your actually supposed to be
doing and that's observing. So I do try and go in
visually blank.
On the campaign, occasionally
we would try and keep ourselves entertained by
saying "ok today you are not allowed to take
pictures of anyone under six. You take a
photograph of anyone under six; you need to
justify it to the entire press core."
A.Y.:
How did you get
involved with the campaign?
S.T.: I got
involved with the campaign somewhat by accident.
My editor at Polaris Images, which is my photo
agency, asked me to go cover the junior senator
from Illinois who was to be doing a book signing
in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. And I didn't want to
go. I had a date that night. I live in Brookline
and it's a six hour drive up to Portsmouth and I
had no interest in covering this event. And book
signings are not a lot of fun to photograph. So
they found someone to pay me to go so I
immediately jumped out of my car and drove up to
New Hampshire.
I don't know if you are
familiar with New Hampshire at all but they are
all very jaded with politicians. Because they are
the first primary state, they are very spoiled.
Unless the politician is actually sitting at their
table talking about how cute their kids are, they
don't care. So I thought it was going to be
nothing. I walked in the room and it was dark and
gloomy and I thought, "oh God, there's going to be
no pictures here, it's going to be brutal." And
then he walked in the room and people flipped out
and people were just fixated on him; people were
crying; people were laughing and smiling. I mean
people were just glued to him. He did three events
in New Hampshire that day and everywhere he went,
people's reactions were just incredible. And I
thought, if he can make people react like this two
years before the election, when he hasn't said
he's running yet and in New Hampshire, then if he
decides to run for president, he could really do
it. So I started following him and I followed him
for the next two years. So that's how I got
involved.
A.Y.:
What kind of access
did you have to candidate Obama and his family and
advisers? Did you travel with them?
S.T.: When
we first started there was no organized press
travel. There were organized press trips; for
example we had a two day announcement tour when he
announced he was running for president. There were
charter flights and busses and I was on that and
he would occasionally do a bus trip through Iowa
or New Hampshire. But for the most part, you were
pretty much on your own for the first year. You
would get a rental car and follow the motorcade
and go from event to event, which was great, you
had a lot more freedom.
Toward the end of '07, he got a
full time traveling press corps. At first it was
just buses, mostly just Iowa, but towards the end
of January it started to be full time flights. So
there was a press plane and you would fly from
event to event, with the occasional bus tour
thrown in to keep us a little bit sane. So I did
travel full time with the campaign but I did take
some time off here and there.
Photographers, as a general
rule, had much better access to the candidate than
print reporters did, because when we got alone
time with him, we wanted him to pretend we were
not there as opposed to print reporters who wanted
to ask him questions. I think he enjoyed that we
didn't ask him any questions.
So we had a lot more access to
him and his wife and the kids, when they were out.
We were careful not to photograph the kids when he
wasn't around because it wasn't a public event
because they were not public figures. But when
they were around, we photographed campaign
staffers playing games with the girls and the
girls doing little dances for their father. It was
always fun when they were out because he was
always so much happier and the kids are so cute
and unpredictable. It was always more fun when
they were out.
A.Y.:
You saw candidate
Obama rise from being a junior senator to the
underdog in the campaign and then to becoming the
leading candidate and finally the President.
Throughout this entire two year period, did you
notice any sort of change or transformation in his
persona?
S.T.: One
of the surprising things about him actually is
that he really just didn't change that much. I
mean, he obviously got more tired as the campaign
ran on and on--but so did we. As a general rule
though, he really didn't change that much. He was
mostly the same guy from the beginning of the
campaign to the end. And he was also not someone
where there was a backstage Obama and an onstage
Obama. I have a friend who worked on the Newsweek
story covering the campaign. Newsweek has a
program where every four years they get backstage
access to the campaign candidates in exchange for
not publishing it until after the elections. And
one of my best friends was the guy who had Obama
and he told me that "he's the same guy." The deal
with being a reporter that's usually great is that
you get to see the hidden side of people. With
Obama there weren't a lot of surprises. If you saw
him on stage that was pretty much what he was
like. I mean he's a little bit more private in his
private time, as we all are. But he really is the
same guy off the stage as he is on.
A.Y.:
There's a lot of
anticipation right now over what he is going to do
or say come April 24. He had come out very strong in
support of Armenian Genocide recognition, both as a
Senator and as a candidate. But now you have him
faced with this decision as the President. So you
can't help but wonder; has becoming the President
changed his positions and principles on issues such
as the Armenian Genocide.
S.T.: I'm
wondering the same as you are. Is he going to be
one of those politicians, because there has been
so many of them who have been so strong and have
gotten into office but then said, "oh well we have
other concerns." So I'm waiting to see as much as
you are what he's going to do. I know he has
Armenian friends. In one of his books he talks
about going to Armenian weddings in Chicago so I
don't know. Part of me thinks this is exactly the
kind of thing he would take a stand on. And
another part of me thinks this is exactly not the
kind of thing he would take a stand on. So I
really just don't know. I'm waiting to see just as
much as everyone else is.
A.Y.:
Did you ever speak
to Candidate Obama about the Genocide?
S.T.: I
didn't. But I didn't because I felt like...well
first of all as a journalist we are not supposed
to talk about the things that we care about when
we are interacting with the candidates but also
because I felt like he knew. It's not an issue
that I felt like he was ill informed on. It's not
my 7th grade teacher saying that I made up the
Armenian Genocide. He knows what it is and he
knows what the reality of the situation is. But
will he take a stand on it? I don't know.
A.Y.:
Can you talk about
your emotional experiences on the trail,
photographing the rallies and the president? Was
there a point where you just stopped and thought
about your role in history?
S.T.: I
think it's been a pretty incredible two years. We
all tend to look at history as something that has
happened and not as something that is happening or
something that we are able to witness. I remember
there being a few moments throughout the campaign
where I thought, "this is really history." As
journalists what we really want is to document
history. And so normally events that are nation
changing--whether this proves to be nation
changing is another question--but we have gone
from a nation founded on slavery to one that has
elected a black man as president and that's an
amazing cultural shift. Normally things that
promote huge cultural shifts are tragedies--Pearl
Harbor and 911 or the assassination of JFK.
American history has mostly been changed by
tragedy, whereas this is an event that, for the
majority of Americans, is a positive experience;
something that is really incredible and I feel
very lucky.
I didn't always listen to
Obama's speeches; not because I thought he was
boring, but because when you are concentrating on
work, you are thinking about shutter speed and
aperture and composition and finding that face in
the crowd and trying to create an image that will
show what it felt like to be there.
I remember his Philadelphia
race speech during the reverend Wright
controversy. And this was the first time in the
campaign where he had decided to talk about race
in America, historically, culturally,
contemporarily. I saw his best friend sitting in
the front row crying during the speech. Now this
is not a guy who sits in the front row of an Obama
event and cries. He's not that guy. He usually
just wanders around and looks through trophy cases
at events in high schools. But when I saw him
crying in the front row, I thought I should
probably pay a little more attention to this one.
And I remember sitting and thinking that if I have
kids, they will study this speech; and if I have
grandkids they will study this speech. There were
a lot of moments like that throughout the
campaign, where you would just pinch yourself and
think, "I am here right now documenting this
moment that people will be talking about and
studying for years."
I remember during the South
Carolina primaries, you would talk to folks that
grew up during Jim Crow and saying that there had
been various leaders that have come through and
have disappointed every single time but that this
time would be different. For these people, who
grew up with the colored drinking fountain and the
white drinking fountain, forced to sit in the back
of the bus, there is now a black man who is
president of the United States. I remember during
the inauguration, when he came out for the
swearing in ceremony, the first person he saw on
the stage was Congressman John Lewis, an American
hero, a civil rights hero and a person who
literally had his head cracked open during a
voting rights march in Selma Alabama. That to me
was an incredible moment. It really shows how far
we have come; not full circle obviously, but just
the moment of John Lewis and Barack Obama
embracing on the morning of Obama's swearing in is
an incredible thing to have witnessed.
A.Y.:
Was that the most
memorable moment of the inauguration for you?
S.T.: There
had been many moments throughout the campaign
where I did feel the emotion of the moment. This
was not one of them. I felt that my toes were
going to fall off. It was cold. For me, the story
of the campaign has always been about the movement
around Obama more than the man himself. So for me
the most incredible moments of the inauguration
was not necessarily the swearing in moment. The
most memorable moment for me was the trip to the
inauguration. We took the train from Philadelphia
down to DC with the Obamas and the Bidens and I
don't know if you have seen the photographs of the
RFK funeral train but when RFK died his body was
taken along the same Amtrak line. People lined
the tracks; they had signs and American flags and
the photography from that time is incredible. But
that was in June. Obama's trip was on January 17th
or 18th. It was about 15 degrees outside and
people still lined the tracks, from Philadelphia
all the way down to DC. People stood along the
side of the tracks waving at the train in the
freezing cold. That to me was one of the most
incredible moments of the inaugural weekend. Also
striking was the parade after the ceremony, where
the now president and his wife take the limo from
the capital to the White House. The Obamas walked
part of the route, which is something that some
Presidents do and some don't. Despite the fact
that all of these people had been outside from
probably 4 in the morning, there were people
lining the streets. And again, seeing their
faces...I remember the security for it was done by
law enforcement and military. I remember seeing
this young naval officer, who was a young guy
probably in his early 20s, grinning from ear to
ear, so excited to be a part of it. To me that is
what the campaign is really about, more so than
Barack and Michelle Obama walking down the street.
That's a huge part of it but also the people
lining the streets to see him; people that really
did make a grassroots campaign and movement to put
someone in the White House.
A.Y.:
Along the trail,
did anyone ask you about your name and what it
meant? Did you ever find yourself confronted with
that awkward situation where you are trying to
explain what an Armenian is to someone who has never
heard of our people?
S.T.: Every
time someone finds out what my name is, they ask
me what I am--unless they are Armenian in which
case they say, "oh you're Armenian." Sometimes
they guess that I'm Finnish, or Indian, I've had
all sorts of random guesses and when I tell them
that I'm Armenian they say, "what's that" or "oh
Albanian." But I kind of like it; you get to talk
about being Armenian every time someone asks about
your name. On the campaign, when I make
reservations for a hotel over the phone, everyone
asks me what it means. But Obama knew...Obama knew
it was an Armenian name.
A.Y.:
What does your last
name mean?
S.T.:
Tufankjian means son of a gunner. Scout is also an
unusually first name as well. It's from a book
called To Kill a Mockingbird. If I was a boy they
were going to call me Atticus. Can you imagine
Atticus Tufankjian? But with the unusual first and
last name, people always ask.
A.Y.:
Did you meet any
Armenians along the trail?
S.T.: There
were a couple of Armenian staffers. In the early
days, when we actually signed in to the events, we
would do secret Armenian handshakes or see our
names on the sheets and get excited. It was
actually kind of really cool. They made Armenian
Americans for Obama stickers that I gave to my
family; those were cool.
There was an Armenian secret
service agent in some town in Michigan. I went up
to him and asked if he was Armenian and he was
very surprised. But yea, there were some staffers.
Everyone always had a friend who was Armenian. I
don't know if you find that too, but they would
say, "oh I went to college with someone who was
Armenian," or "someone in the Vegas staff is
Armenian." So there were a bunch, but
unfortunately nothing I could really photograph. I
was always on the lookout, but I never really saw
any signs signifying Armenian at events.
A.Y.:
Were there any
Turks in the crowds?
S.T.: There
were actually a lot of Turks for Obama signs and
pins. Kind of all over the country, there was a
concerted Turks for Obama effort.
A.Y.: What's
going on in your life or career right now? What's
next?
S.T.: Right
now I'm doing a mixture of book promotion tour
stuff and daily assignments. I have a very nice,
very suffering boyfriend who is insisting on me
spending a little bit of time in New York after
two years of pretty much straight travel, which I
think is kind of fair; so I'm doing assignments in
New York--portrait jobs, news jobs, things like
that.
I'm here in LA until Monday; I
was out in the Bay area and the Midwest a couple
months ago. And I'm doing some stuff in New York,
New Jersey and Connecticut when I get back. So I'm
kind of doing a mix of book stuff and work stuff.
I definitely want to go back to the Middle East to
pick up some stories I left off there.
A couple of years from now, I
want to go back and re-photograph some of the
people I photographed in this book and look and
see how has this presidency changed their lives.
Has his presidency changed their lives? And it's
a story that I'm kind of anxious to get started on
but you've got to give the guy a break, he's only
been president for two months. That will be two or
three years from now story.
A.Y.:
Any plans for
Armenia in the future?
S.T.: Yeah,
definitely. I'm hoping to head back in the Fall. A
year from now my boyfriend is going to be spending
a lot of time in Moscow; so I'm planning on
spending a lot of that time in Armenia and trying
to work on some actual stories, as opposed to some
ten day tourist snaps.
A.Y.:
How close do you
feel to your Armenian heritage?
S.T.: I
feel very Armenian and I try very hard to continue
to stay involved. I live in Brookline and New York
doesn't have a big Armenian community anymore.
Most people are in New Jersey; there's the Church
on 32nd street but culturally I try and stay
involved. I cook Armenian food; the messenger bag
I would walk around with used to have a sticker
that said, "Turkey stop denying the 1915 Armenian
Genocide."
But I don't speak the language
that well because when I was a kid I grew up an
hour and a half from the nearest Saturday school.
I was a total dork and would beg my parents to
drive me to it but they never did. So everything I
learned, I learned from my grandparents. It's
complicated because not having a language really
distances you, as well as not living in the
community. There isn't really a place for
Armenians to just get together in New York City.
The fantastic thing about this book is that I have
been meeting with a lot of different people and
meeting with a lot of different Armenians at
different events; so I am kind of finding the
community in New York. There are young Armenian
dances throughout New York that I'm trying to get
involved in.
Traveling full-time makes it
kind of hard to have roots anywhere and that's
part of the problem.
A.Y.:
On a lighter note,
what's your favorite Armenian food?
S.T.: My
mom's choreg and Soujoukh; I love Soujoukh.
There's a place in the old city of Jerusalem that
makes the best Soujoukh and Bastrma; those are my
favorite. Also my family is from near Syria so
Kubbeh is something I grew up with. But yea, every
Saturday I make yogurt in my great grandmother's
yogurt bowl and every time we have special
occasions, I make Kubbeh with the yogurt. I just
made a huge bowl for my boyfriend so he would have
something to eat when he was at home.
For a glimpse at some of Scout's photos from the
trail, visit Scout's
website
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